Re: virus: Technology (was manifest science)

Brett Robertson (
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Seems Joe understanding of "technology" would be equally (or BETTER) applied to the term "industry" and related to "industrialization" (though, again, *industry*, implying "work", is none other than applied force and so does not seem to REQUIRE conscious intent).

Joe's assertion that technology is "founded" upon a SERIES of experiments doesn't apply to the logical inception of science itself (What knowledge base, and what experiments are the foundation for the scientific process?); similarly, what "series" of technological manifestations forms the basis for a technology to manifest?

That is, IS science a "technology" (as per Wade's definition, for example)? If so, by what "non" technology does this technology arise?

Finally, I have yet to see a logical argument (by Joe, or others) which suggests that "self-will"-- what Joe describes as a type of "conscious intention" that is related to Godelian complexity-- is the basis for technology (and/ or that this type of logical action is limited to what is termed "human").

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> "Technology" (including the evolutionary process which manifests as
> biological "tools" such as eyes)... *technology* which has developed
> past a certain point (the point at which it becomes HUMANLY aware of
> itself as such-- and such that it might refer only to the non-human
> implements of a society) might be called, uh, SCIENCE?
The natural evolution of organs of perception and conception and the musculoskeletal effectuators of action is not technology, for it happened in the absence of any conscious intention, and is the ground condition of our embodiment. The extension of perceptual, cognitive and actional capacities by means of humanly designed and manufactured material assistance is what technology is. Our inheritable physical characteristics are genetically transmitted (through fucking); our technologies are memetically transmitted (through teaching/imitating/learning). Science is the collection of abstracted principles which have through repeatable experiments under controlled conditions have been discovered to apply to classes of phenomena; the existence of such principles is the ground condition for the possibility of technology in general, and must be utilized in the construction of any actually working particular technological device.
> Note: The problem... "science" (so called) is now the LIMITED
> perspective whose foundation precedes it and whose limits necessitate
> that-- though it might claim to be the whole of technology (and
> evolution)-- to do so is to do so at the ultimate cost of those
> biological systems which produce it.
The "biological systems" evolved by means of blind evolution until one particular species - us - breached the Godelian limit beyond which self-conscious awareness emerged. Capable of self-directed intention, some of us subsequently have chosen to investigate our surroundings and extract invariant laws from same (science), and use them to invent material means for extending our perceptions, cognitions and actions (technology). It's as simple as that.
> Brett Lane Robertson
> Indiana, USA
> MindRecreation Metaphysical Assn.
> BIO:
> ...........
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