Re: virus: Rich and Poor

Brett Robertson (
Fri, 28 May 1999 23:03:22 -0500 (EST)

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The aesthetics of human relations seems to me to be about...

an idea

an individual awareness of this idea

a group

an ideal (which relates to the group, the individual, and the idea)

an objective example of this ideal

the "living" importance of this example (*living* since revealed as such by the life of the individual... with regard to the ideal, as related to the idea, and such that it might reinforce the importance of this example to the group).

Economics (related to the individual) is:

Ones personal worth

Ones value to the group

The relationship of ones worth to ones value (an inverse relationship, I think... the more worth you profess, the less value you are to a group who would try to use you)

Thus, "trust" (a measure of value and worth as established through work and sacrifice, by which ones labors are invested in an objective reality-- divesting them of their inherent worth and value to the group-- and at the cost of oneself... thus put "in trust" for future generations and borrowed-against using the "credit" afforded in chance situations; said *credit* being thereby related to shared confidences, privileged status, and sanctuary from common interpretation). ...

Memetics (with the above in mind): The profit of personal and interpersonal economics re-applied to what is "important" to both the group and the individual (as in what is *aesthetic*)?

OR: The encoding of behavior within an abstraction and the creation of a "meme" whose encoded properties are more important than the concrete nature of the objects within which it is encoded.

Assuming that what is held in trust might be exemplified by what is beautiful such that the quality expressed by the object of beauty is more important to the nature of the beauty than the object's physical characteristics... the definition of memetics being economics and aesthetics seems to be a good one (and I think so).

Brett Lane Robertson
Indiana, USA
MindRecreation Metaphysical Assn.
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I was probably awake.

I may not have been.

Economics and aesthetics = memetics. (The Macrohard Cooperation.)

That is what I said. I ain't sure why though, although to me, aesthetics is first the perception of beauty and then the discovery of why there is beauty to perceive, encompassing both the 'soft' behavioral/psychological and the 'hard' neurobiologic disciplines.

Economics is a technology/discipline encompassing both the analyzation of motivations and the use and utility of resources, both 'hard' and 'soft' and ranging far and wide into, as I see it, food chains and social heirarchies as well as perceptual awarenesses of stimuli and persuasion techniques.

'Memeticists' love to talk about advertising methods. They love to talk about markets and lifestyles. They love to armchair influence.

Memetics, as I've always seen it, is the 'consilience' umbrella, and, 'aesthetics', to me, has always been the only valid use of philosophy, and, lately, 'economics' has seemed to me to be a useful umbrella for human motivation. I ain't a Marxist, but I think I understand why he started, or ended up, where he did.

The more you know about why you've done something, the more 'memetic' you are.

What memes did you want to create today?