Re: virus: maxims and ground rules and suppositions

Joe E. Dees (
Mon, 17 May 1999 21:13:41 -0500

From:           	"psypher" <>
Subject:        	Re: virus: maxims and ground rules and suppositions
Date sent:      	Mon, 17 May 1999 21:54:12 -0400 (EDT)
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> > In the line
> > "To the extent that there is an environment in which change
> happens,
> > that environment is defined by consciousness."
> >
> > what does this mean? That there is no change without consciousness?
> > That the universe is static except for the consciousness that causes
> > change to happen and time to flow? Is that what you are suggesting?
> ...the universe is neither static nor dynamic - the very division is
> a construct. The universe IS - it is all things, at once, chaos: the
> sum of all possible orders. Time is not a ground in which the
> universe sits, it is a ground in which WE sit, and we - from this
> vantage - can't see past that limit. Of course there is no change
> without consciousness - there's nothing to change. Consciousness
> [will] is not a product of evolution, it's a precursor to incarnate
> existence.
> -psypher
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Spatiotemporality is a single perceptual manifold which has illicitly been abstracted, bifurcated and absolutized into "space" and "time" , just because vision and audition grasp aspects of the manifold's ambient information (communicated via matter/energy) differently (although still both spatiotemporally; in vision, the spatial aspect predominates, and in audition, the temporal, but the manifold is not two, but one through which data is grasped in two distinct ways by two differing perceptual modalities).