virus: "The Secret Meaning of 'Freedom,' 'Peace,' and 'Justice'"

Reed Konsler (
Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:29:14 -0500

>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:51:14 -0500
>From: "Sodom" <>
>Subject: RE: virus: Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.
>I am not a People person either, but I would say that ideas are more
>important than people. "Freedom" as an idea is worth dying and killing for.
>I dont care how many people die so that "freedom" exists for the others -
>including nuclear oblivion.

Yikes, dude! You sound a fundamentalist...a real born again "Son of Liberty". "Give US liberty or give US ALL death?" I get a vote, Dr. Strangelove...or do we have a special definition of democracy?

> So is "Individuality" and several others.

I agree. But you should recognize those as articles of faith so that when the time for reflection comes you can question them:

"Let us bathe our hands in...blodd up to the elbows, and besmear our swords. Then we will walk forth, even to the marketplace, and waving our red weapons over our heads let us all cry 'peace, freedom, and liberty!'" -Shakespeare (Julius Ceasar)

>People, though essential to ideas, are disposable on the grand scale easily
>demonstratable when we look at our history and remember perhaps .0001% of
>those that have lived. Many of us Americans would see many articles in the
>Bill of Rights as Ideas more valuable than peoples lives. Freedom of
>expresion, religion, carry fire arms, privacy - all worth killing or dying
>for in my opinion.

I agree. But, again, things we hold higher than people...things we are willing to kill for...these are articles of faith. The fact is that, when faced with the moment of truth, the majority of people who are not properly conditioned cannot kill another person, even in war. We have a natural resistance to violence. You have good rhetoric and it may be needed someday to whip us into a make us taste symbolic blood before me must shed real blood in service of our ideals. But don't pretend that this isn't an emotional and spiritual experience. Warlike people know a brutal God. If you invoke one using all the same memetic tools, is neglecting a taboo word going to make it different? No...memetics is about process, not content.

You should check out Howard Bloom's _Lucifer Principle_, from whence I extracted the quote...the chapter is entiled "The Secret Meaning of 'Freedom,' 'Peace,' and 'Justice'"


  Reed Konsler