RE: virus: materialism and other worldviews

Richard Brodie (
Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:09:33 -0800

You guys do realize that the vast, vast majority of folks aren't really any sort of ist at all...right?

Richard Brodie Author, "Virus of the Mind: The New Science of the Meme" Free newsletter! Visit Meme Central at

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From: []On Behalf Of Sodom
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 1:32 PM To:
Subject: RE: virus: materialism and other worldviews

I'd say, you cannot simultaneously be a
materialist, and a realist about consciousness, because consciousness is not a material thing.


My .02 says: The problem is not that consciousness as a material thing is beyond understanding in principle. As a realist, understanding that the complexity of consciousness in the material sense is beyond our skills is better. They can co-exist if you take this cheap way out. Consciousness is a material thing that our perception cannot distinguish as such, like music. Abstract in the extreme of which all parts are basic physics as is our response. I see why we wrestle with this problem. There needs to be a term that describes the Materialist who realizes that not all is within grasp.

Bill Roh