RE: virus: Why people cling to faith

maggs (
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:33:37 -0600 (CST)

                        In a song written by Lennon and McCartney, "Across
the Universe" Lennon chants " jai Guru Deva...ohm.. nothing's gonna change my world...Nothing's gonna change my world..." What is he implying? Escape or involvement?


"A Husband is a Convenient Part of the Furniture of the House" Mary Wollstonecraft

"I am more than what you define and delienate me to be" Elizabeth Wurtzel

On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Richard Brodie wrote:

> Do you think Shakespeare used anything other than logic and reason to
> communicate? Mozart? The Beatles? Are they liars?
> Richard Brodie
> Author, "Virus of the Mind: The New Science of the Meme"
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> Ok.. that is clearer and more in keeping with the principles of rational
> discussion. I also need to stick to doing what I told you all to do and
> that is
> speaking for myself. I accept that faith is a part of me as is scepticism.
> Nor
> do I have the talent to weigh it on any objective scale.
> I only find it alarming that with everything else we could be talking about
> and
> advancing, we always seem to come back to bashing others for what we
> perceive to
> be a weakness in thinking. Perhaps you see it as mentally unbalanced for a
> person
> to defy logic to remain principled. While I may see it as silly, I prefer
> to
> allow another the choice to live thier life as they see fit.
> Sigh
> That day that someone chooses to defy logic, you should cease discussion
> with them, as discussion is not possible in the absense of logic. Choosing
> to ignore reason means that you cannot have a meaningful discussion, as
> words then no longer are vehicles for meaning. It is only through logic and
> reason that we can establish meaning to ourselves, never mind the more
> complicated issues of shared meanings through which communication occurs.
> A person who abandon's logic and reason has no ability to hold discourse as
> these are fundamental to discourse. So if a person who is communicating
> claims to have abandoned logic and reason it can only mean that they are
> liars. Communicating with liars can be useful in information and game
> theory, but is seldom profitable in real life. As you know they are liars,
> they will never convince you of anything. Suspecting that you know that they
> are liars means that you will never convince them of anything. So you are
> best wasting time and effort.
> Be rational and just walk away. There are more important windmills to tilt
> at....
> TheHermit
> Faith,n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without
> knowledge, of things without parallel.
> Ambrose Bierce The Enlarged Devil's Dictionary.