Re: virus: Why people cling to faith

sodom (
Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:30:24 -0500

I think that they as physical entities worked logically - That is also specifically why I said "not word games" because something works logically, does not mean it makes sense.

Bill Roh

Richard Brodie wrote:

> Do you think Shakespeare used anything other than logic and reason to
> communicate? Mozart? The Beatles? Are they liars?
> Richard Brodie
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> Ok.. that is clearer and more in keeping with the principles of rational
> discussion. I also need to stick to doing what I told you all to do and
> that is
> speaking for myself. I accept that faith is a part of me as is scepticism.
> Nor
> do I have the talent to weigh it on any objective scale.
> I only find it alarming that with everything else we could be talking about
> and
> advancing, we always seem to come back to bashing others for what we
> perceive to
> be a weakness in thinking. Perhaps you see it as mentally unbalanced for a
> person
> to defy logic to remain principled. While I may see it as silly, I prefer
> to
> allow another the choice to live thier life as they see fit.
> Sigh
> That day that someone chooses to defy logic, you should cease discussion
> with them, as discussion is not possible in the absense of logic. Choosing
> to ignore reason means that you cannot have a meaningful discussion, as
> words then no longer are vehicles for meaning. It is only through logic and
> reason that we can establish meaning to ourselves, never mind the more
> complicated issues of shared meanings through which communication occurs.
> A person who abandon's logic and reason has no ability to hold discourse as
> these are fundamental to discourse. So if a person who is communicating
> claims to have abandoned logic and reason it can only mean that they are
> liars. Communicating with liars can be useful in information and game
> theory, but is seldom profitable in real life. As you know they are liars,
> they will never convince you of anything. Suspecting that you know that they
> are liars means that you will never convince them of anything. So you are
> best wasting time and effort.
> Be rational and just walk away. There are more important windmills to tilt
> at....
> TheHermit
> Faith,n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without
> knowledge, of things without parallel.
> Ambrose Bierce The Enlarged Devil's Dictionary.