Re: virus: Saints
Marie Foster (mfos@ieway.com)
Tue, 02 Dec 1997 16:50:43 -0800
Sodom wrote:
>
> Marie Foster wrote:
>
> > Sodom wrote:
> > >
> > > Paul Prestopnik wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Sodom Wrote:
> > > > > Hey, I think Bertrand Russle should be one of our saints.
> > >
> > > > the only writings of Russel I have read was a chapter entitled
> > "the
> > > > problem
> > > > with evil" or something close. But it was pretty good, he seemed
> > to
> > > > have a
> > > > clear way of expressing ideas, and a rational viewpoint.
> > > > I guess my question is what does it take to be cannonized??
> > > > Last I checked our only saint was Darwin, that seems a pretty
> > obvious
> > > > choice, but beyond that some criteria would be helpful. Does the
> > > > saint-to-be have to be dead? Work done in meme's, or just
> > something
> > > > related, or maybe a foot ladder for memes?
> > >
> > > It seems to me that to be considered a Virian Saint, all you
> > > mentioned is good.
> > >
> > > 1. They should be dead, but I'm not opposed to living Saints other
> > than
> > > they may become psycho's after we select them.
> > > 2. They should have spent a lot of time examining and publishing
> > works
> > > related to mems, or thought processes.
> > > 3. They should be Atheists or Agnostics
> > > 4. They should be male (Just kidding, put that there for valerian -
> > I
> > > like to push butons!)
> > > 5. They should have overwhelming CoV support
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Sodom
> >
> > Bill... there are lots of good theists out there that diserve
> > consideration....!
> >
> > Marie
>
> I disagree entirely!!!! On our web page it says "a memetically
> engineered atheistic religion". Also, unless we want to rehash old
> arguments, Theists have faith in a god, Faith in a "god" is "without
> evidence" - a person who has Faith without evidence for, and a great
> deal against, is someone to be pitied, not cannonized!!! I don't care
> how smart, nice, wise etc... If you have "Faith" in the religious sense,
> your out as a Saint! I'm not saying you cannot participate, but if our
> virtues are to remain as they are, and reason is to be one of them, than
> thiests have no place on the list of Saints.
>
> Marie, I don't mean to sound mean spirited, perhaps you can give me an
> example of a theist who is deserving of consideration.
>
> Sodom
Sure... I will compile a list and the reasons for them to be
considered. However, I remind you that atheists can be as dogmatic and
close minded as the most ardent fundamentalist of any religious
persuasion.
I also do not want to start up the debate again, but no one can prove
that there is not some kind of god - greater power than us - whatever
you want to call it.
Your experience leads you to reject this idea. Fine. Mine is entirely
different. What proof do you have that there is no *greater power than
us*? Just how big do you think we are? Our entire universe may just be
a lab experiment in some kind of college somewhere... Give it a break.
Look, when it was proved that the earth was not the center of the
universe, minds had to change. The atheist can become stuck in their
blindness just as bad as a theist. If you can not see how that may be
so, then I pity you... Since you are throwing the pity around...
Gosh... I think this is the first time I have really gotten angry even
though I have been close a few times.
Marie