virus: remove
Chuck (satan_death@rocketmail.com)
Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:16:49 -0800 (PST)
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> virus-digest Tuesday, December 2 1997 Volume 02 :
Number 319
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> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:35:35 -0500
> From: "Paul Prestopnik" <pjp66259@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
> Subject: Re: virus:santaclause & the easter bunny
>
> > A less strained example is how parents treat their children.
Presumably
> > parents don't believe the fairy tales, stories of Santa Claus etc.
that
> > they tell their kids, but I think their hyprocisy (if that's what
is), is
> > often justifiable. Fairy tales, for example, often teach valuable
> lessons
> > about the real world.
>
> speaking of santa.. I don't know if you have kids, but if you did
what
> would you tell your kids. (I'm speaking mainly to David, because I'm
> interested in how this fits with his rational thought system) is
this a
> hypocrisy? I don't have kids yet, but I've often wondered what to
tell
> them. I can't remember if my parents told me the truth, but it
seems like
> I've always known. Is it a white lie, to make them happier, or is it
> merely a prank?
>
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:39:30 -0500
> From: "Paul Prestopnik" <pjp66259@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
> Subject: Re: virus: _____ of Virus
>
> > >One of the purposes of the CoV experiment is to falsify the
hypothesis
> that
> > >it is necessary to use dishonest methods to propagate a religion. I
> concede
> > >that the spread of Virus is going slower than initial estimations
but
> I'm
> > >not ready to give up yet. :)
> >
> > The slow growth might be due to a lack of proselytizers. Perhaps CoV
> should
> > hire a marketer ;->
> >
> This is an example of how the e-mail "chain letter" idea could help.
If
> the email is about memes and meta memes, then by definition it will
spread
> the holy writ of the CoV, plus if we include some sort of feedback,
it will
> allow study of how a meme actually travels. I would be interested in
> implementing this idea if others would be willing to help (feedback,
and
> distribution). What does everyone think?
>
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 09:19:12 -0700
> From: David McFadzean <david@kumo.com>
> Subject: Re: virus:santaclause & the easter bunny
>
> At 10:35 AM 12/1/97 -0500, Paul Prestopnik wrote:
>
> >speaking of santa.. I don't know if you have kids, but if you did
what
> >would you tell your kids. (I'm speaking mainly to David, because I'm
> >interested in how this fits with his rational thought system) is
this a
> >hypocrisy?
>
> Interesting example. I remember discussing this with Sean Morgan in
reference
> to his young daughter a couple years ago. He thought (and I agree)
that the
> Santa Claus myth provides a very valuable lesson. Eventually the kid
will find
> out that Santa Claus doesn't exist, and indeed *could not* exist
given his
> purported powers. Hopefully the realization will come that adults'
beliefs
> (or espoused beliefs) are not necessarily true, so maybe similar
myths
> involving magical characters withholding gifts contingent on
displaying
> regulated behavior will be examined more critically.
>
> So is hypocrisy justified in limited cases? I'm still not sure.
Maybe when
> you're dealing with people that should be treated like children.
>
> - --
> David McFadzean david@kumo.com
> Memetic Engineer http://www.kumo.com/~david/
> Kumo Software Corp. http://www.kumo.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 09:14:57 PST
> From: "rpc man" <rpcman@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: virus:santaclause & the easter bunny
>
> >>speaking of santa.. I don't know if you have kids, but if you did
> what
> >>would you tell your kids. (I'm speaking mainly to David, because
I'm
> >>interested in how this fits with his rational thought system) is
this
> a
> >>hypocrisy?
> >
> >Interesting example. I remember discussing this with Sean Morgan in
> reference
> >to his young daughter a couple years ago. He thought (and I agree)
that
> the
> >Santa Claus myth provides a very valuable lesson. Eventually the kid
> will find
> >out that Santa Claus doesn't exist, and indeed *could not* exist
given
> his
> >purported powers. Hopefully the realization will come that adults'
> beliefs
> >(or espoused beliefs) are not necessarily true, so maybe similar
myths
> >involving magical characters withholding gifts contingent on
displaying
> >regulated behavior will be examined more critically.
> >
> >So is hypocrisy justified in limited cases? I'm still not sure.
Maybe
> when
> >you're dealing with people that should be treated like children.
>
> As one with a soon to be 2 year old, I have first-hand experience on
> this issue. I don't think teaching myth *as fact* is a good thing for
> kids so I don't want to teach my kid about santa as though he were
real.
> My wife disagrees.
>
> In any case, you may find the contents of this page on the topic to
be
> interesting:
> http://www.california.com/~rpcman/santa.htm
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:19:04 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tim Rhodes <proftim@speakeasy.org>
> Subject: Re: virus: Together or Not
>
> On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, Marie Foster wrote:
>
> > Does consciousness replicate.... Hmmmm. Actually, I am wondering
if we
> > are up to that right now in working with other species and trying to
> > teach them to communicate. One of the most interesting of these
is the
> > work done with the African Grey Parrott. Just an idea.
>
> That occurred to me as well, only I was thinking of the sign
language/apes
> work done in the central part of this state (at CWU) a few years ago.
>
> - -Prof Tim
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:18:46 -0500
> From: "Paul Prestopnik" <pjp66259@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
> Subject: Re: virus: Saints
>
> > From: Sodom <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>
> > To: virus@lucifer.com
> > Subject: virus: Saints
> > Date: Saturday, November 29, 1997 1:32 AM
> >
> > Hey, I think Bertrand Russle should be one of our saints. He was an
> > exceptionally pragmatic, intelligent and meme oriented person. He
faught
> > for many of the same things we are fighting for here. I don't really
> > want to write a whole paper on why he should be inducted, but I
will if
> > I must. Suffice it to say that, in his own words, "Three passions,
> > simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the
longing for
> > love, the search for knowledge, and the unbearable pity for the
> > suffering of mankind".
> >
> > What do you guys think?
> >
> > Sodom
> the only writings of Russel I have read was a chapter entitled "the
problem
> with evil" or something close. But it was pretty good, he seemed to
have a
> clear way of expressing ideas, and a rational viewpoint.
> I guess my question is what does it take to be cannonized??
> Last I checked our only saint was Darwin, that seems a pretty obvious
> choice, but beyond that some criteria would be helpful. Does the
> saint-to-be have to be dead? Work done in meme's, or just something
> related, or maybe a foot ladder for memes?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:26:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tim Rhodes <proftim@speakeasy.org>
> Subject: Re: virus: _____ of Virus
>
> On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Paul Prestopnik wrote:
>
> > This is an example of how the e-mail "chain letter" idea could
help. If
> > the email is about memes and meta memes, then by definition it
will spread
> > the holy writ of the CoV, plus if we include some sort of
feedback, it will
> > allow study of how a meme actually travels. I would be interested
in
> > implementing this idea if others would be willing to help
(feedback, and
> > distribution). What does everyone think?
>
> A chain letter with a brief explaination of what a meme is and the
> istructions to pass it on lest ill fortune befall you and your loved
ones?
> I LOVE IT!!!
>
> - -Prof. Tim
>
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