virus: Re: virus-digest V2 #131

Reed Konsler (konsler@ascat.harvard.edu)
Mon, 19 May 1997 23:33:03 -0400 (EDT)

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>virus-digest Monday, May 19 1997 Volume 02 : Number 131
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>Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 10:40:22 -0700
>From: "Kevin O'Connor" <kmo@amazon.com>
>Subject: virus: Re: virus-digest V2 #130
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>> From: ppi@amug.org
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>> >Yes, the intention is to create a useful set of courses or exercises
>> >that really helps people in a major way.
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>> To which Richard Brodie replied:
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>> >There are many such courses already. Marketing is more of a problem than
>> >engineering here. People don't see a benefit for themselves in being
>> >enlightened.
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>> Yes, marketing is more difficult than creating the courses. How do we
>> persuade people that it is to their benefit to participate in such courses
>> and improve themselves?
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>One answer is to misrepresent the aim of the self-cultivation program.
>Why get enlightened? 'Cause enlightened people make lots of money, get
>to have sex with beautiful people, and appear on TV!
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>The Amida Buddha has created a paradise, and all you have to do to get
>in is say, "Namu Amida Butsu." So Buddhists of various Pure Land sects
>chant "Namu Amida Butsu." They aren't particularly intereseted in the
>idea that this "pure land" is a place free of the distractions which
>keep people from reaching a state of perfect understanding; an
>understanding that will allow them to negate their individual identity
>and pass into nothingness. What the Pure Land lay person wants is to go
>to heaven when he dies. The Pure Land is an intermediate step, but the
>unenlightened adherent sees it as the final end, and this is good
>because the actual final end, dissolution of the ego and passage into
>final Nirvana, is not something that most people would find particularly
>attractive. Focussing the unenlightened mind on an intermediate step
>gets the subject moving down the path. Once they reach that
>intermediate point, they will realize that their journey is not over.
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>- -KMO
>http://www.c-realm.com/
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>Date: Sat, 17 May 97 16:55:52 UT
>From: "Mike Jay" <Quarterback@msn.com>
>Subject: virus: RE: virus-digest V2 #129
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>Who wrote The Evolving Self?
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>Mikhail Chicksentmihail (this is a phonetic spelling)
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>Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 14:07:38 -0700
>From: Richard Brodie <RBrodie@brodietech.com>
>Subject: virus: The Evolving Self
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>>From the Amazon.com Memetics Bookstore,
>http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/books.htm:
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>Csikszentmihalyi, Mihaly. The Evolving Self (HarperCollins, 1993). Dr. C
>presents his thoughts on the future as seen through the theory of
>memetic evolution, with some breakthrough ideas about how individuals
>can work alone or together to combat unchecked meme evolution. Together
>with his earlier book Flow, it gives abundant insight into the true
>secrets of existence. Click HERE to order paperback! (Currently 10% off)
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0060921927/memecentralA/
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>Richard Brodie RBrodie@brodietech.com +1.425.688.8600
>CEO, Brodie Technology Group, Inc., Bellevue, WA, USA
>http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie
>Do you know what a "meme" is?
>http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/meme.htm
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>>From: Dave Pape[SMTP:davepape@dial.pipex.com]
>>Sent: Saturday, May 17, 1997 3:29 AM
>>To: virus@lucifer.com
>>Subject: Re: virus: RE: virus-digest V2 #128
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>>At 21:03 16/05/97 UT, Mike wrote:
>>>I'm mike. Been here for awhile. Ran across meme in The Evolving Self-been
>>>interested ever since. This list forces me to think unconventionally...
>>>
>>>Thanks
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>>Who wrote The Evolving Self? Like, assuming it's a BOOK and all... got
>>any
>>details, cos I think I'd like to read it. Cheers!
>>
>>Dave Pape
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>>==
>>When I was born in my birth-suit, the doctor slapped my behind.
>>He said, "You're gonna be special, you sweet little toot-toot!"
>>
>>Phonecalls: 0118 9583727 Phights: 20 Armadale Court
>> Westcote Road
>> Reading RG30 2DF
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>Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 17:14:58 -0400
>From: Keith Holmes <kholmes@vnet.net>
>Subject: Re: virus: RE: virus-digest V2 #129
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>At 04:55 PM 5/17/97 UT, you wrote:
>>Who wrote The Evolving Self?
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>>Mikhail Chicksentmihail (this is a phonetic spelling)
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>Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
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>Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 18:15:21 -0700
>From: Richard Brodie <RBrodie@brodietech.com>
>Subject: virus: Subliminal Ads
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>If you have access to Parade magazine (it comes as a supplement to most
>local Sunday newspapers in the US), turn to page 6 and look at the
>Hidden Valley salad dressing ad. Then tell me it was not done
>intentionally.
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>Perhaps someone with a scanner could scan it in.
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>Richard Brodie RBrodie@brodietech.com +1.425.688.8600
>CEO, Brodie Technology Group, Inc., Bellevue, WA USA
>http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie
>Do you know what a "meme" is?
>http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/meme.htm
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>Date: Mon, 19 May 97 00:03:22 -0400
>From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
>Subject: Re: virus: Subliminal Ads
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>>If you have access to Parade magazine (it comes as a supplement to most
>>local Sunday newspapers in the US), turn to page 6 and look at the
>>Hidden Valley salad dressing ad. Then tell me it was not done
>>intentionally.
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>And I ask, was what done intentionally for the purpose of what? Why do
>you suspect a marginally phallic image has any power to affect anything?
>It does have the apparent effect of transfixing _you_....
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>When did a cigar become not a cigar?
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>What do you actually think is happening here?
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> *****************
> Wade T. Smith
>morbius@us1.channel1.com | "There ain't nothin' you
>wade_smith@harvard.edu | shouldn't do to a god."
>morbius@cyberwarped.com |
>********* http://www.channel1.com/users/morbius/ ********
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>Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 00:51:37 -0400
>From: Keith Holmes <kholmes@vnet.net>
>Subject: Re: virus: Subliminal Ads
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>Forget the bacon. Look more closely at the salad dressing on the lettuce in
>the bottom left corner.
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>At 12:03 AM 5/19/97 -0400, Wade wrote:
>>>If you have access to Parade magazine (it comes as a supplement to most
>>>local Sunday newspapers in the US), turn to page 6 and look at the
>>>Hidden Valley salad dressing ad. Then tell me it was not done
>>>intentionally.
>>
>>And I ask, was what done intentionally for the purpose of what? Why do
>>you suspect a marginally phallic image has any power to affect anything?
>>It does have the apparent effect of transfixing _you_....
>>
>>When did a cigar become not a cigar?
>>
>>What do you actually think is happening here?
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>> *****************
>> Wade T. Smith
>>morbius@us1.channel1.com | "There ain't nothin' you
>>wade_smith@harvard.edu | shouldn't do to a god."
>>morbius@cyberwarped.com |
>>********* http://www.channel1.com/users/morbius/ ********
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>Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 22:34:22 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Eva-Lise Carlstrom <eva-lise@efn.org>
>Subject: Re: virus: Subliminal Ads
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>No, what *does* FUD stand for?
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>Eva,
>who just worked her last day at Neelam's and is doing the happy happy joy
>joy dance even though she has to be up early tomorrow.
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>Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 02:27:30 -0500
>From: Mark Hornberger <markhornberger@nietzsche.net>
>Subject: Re: virus: Re: Memes and Jello
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>At 10:18 PM 5/15/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>> From: lady_darkstar@mindspring.com
>>> Date: Thursday, May 15, 1997 2:13 PM
>>>
>>> Hi, my name is Darkstar and I'm new to the list. I just wanted to throw in
>>> a comment, a quote I heard actually.
>>
>>Since the list has been so quiet the last few days, I'd like to invite all
>>the lurkers (new and old) to "come out of the closet". Introduce yourselves,
>>tell us how you found this little corner of virtuality. Have you learned
>>anything interesting and/or useful since arriving? Who do you agree with
>>and who do you not? What interests you?
>>
>I found the CoV website some months ago; I think I discovered it in the
>Underground Online magazine, but I'm unsure. Liked it, somewhat. I like
>this mailing list, too, though I reply to things others have said more than
>I start new threads. Is there anything I dislike about the list? Not
>really, though I think memetics are taken a bit too seriously by some. Not
>that memetics isn't a good tool, but it is just that (IMHO). Sometimes I
>picture a would-be carpenter singing an ode to his hammer, while the other
>carpenters are wondering when he's going to build the house. But if it
>bugged me that bad, I'm sure I could summon the strength to unsubscribe, so
>I guess it's safe to say I like the list.
>
>take care
>
>Mark Hornberger
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