> >Mon. afternoon I am lecturing on elizabethan rhetoric and how it relates to
> >Shakespearean drama. I am amazed when I hear from people under 20 that they
> >have *no* understanding of the Bible or any of its symbols. How much, I
> ask,
> >will they get from Shakespeare? Has good old Wil been insulated out of our
> >meme pool as well?
> >
> >
> >Stephen
> 
> Fellow Virians,
>      Mr. Atkins makes an excellent point here, and one that borders on two
> issues that I have been wanting to bring out for discussion:
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> (2). Is religion, or science, faulty _as a whole_ because of specific
> inefficient memes? If not, why are we focusing on finding holes in the
> armour instead of replacing / co-opting / splicing these specific memes
> (i.e., isn't it possible to have religion without the meme of blind faith
> -- replacing it with inductively supported belief, which is by definition
> unproven and thus _faith_ in essence -- or god without the ideas of
> omnipotence and omniscience)?
The growing branches of Protestant Christianity [instead of dying!] that 
I am aware of have explicitly rejected the meme of 'blind faith' and use 
a definition of faith that has confused ultraconservative Evangelical 
Christians into thinking it equivalent to "magic" [whatever THAT 
ill-defined term is!  The first written reference to anything resembling 
a distinction between science and "magic" I am aware of is the 4th 
century BC, Aristotle in fact.  These ultraconservatives can short out 
if I mention that both Deuteronomy and Daniel are written before then (in our 
agreed schema), because they don't want to condemn all of this wonderful 
20th-century TECHNOLOGY with their proof-text antilogical interpretations.]
[I don't hear about any mainline Protestant denominations running a 
global TV network.  In Manhattan, Kansas, if I ever get tired of both 
silence and CD music ranging from Jesus Christ Superstar to REM's 
"Monster" to Led Zepplin #3, all I have to do to immerse myself in 
wildly dynamic 'Christian' memes is turn on Channel 31, which reputedly 
(I haven't tested this) can be received in a bomb shelter.  TBN, Trinity 
Broadcasting Network, complete with a slot in some American cable 
company's portfolio.  23-hour a day televangelism, actively preaching 
against blind faith as of Lucifer, et. al.  I don't remember their 
shortwave bands--otherwise, I'd mention those.  Aside from two weeks per 
year of 24-hour pledge drives, no extraneous commercials.  Why, some of 
the more progressive programs even go so far as to NEVER ask for money, 
even when they're about to go broke!]
Such a definition of "faith" may be too strong [possibly a reaction 
to 'blind faith'].  My current intuition [it WILL change] is that some 
kind of synthesis between inductively supported belief and the extremized 
version I describe, above, will be functional for my purposes.  The 
former is too passive, the latter is dangerously close to presumptuous.
These branches have already ditched 'omnipotence' in favor of 'completely 
righteous'--they realized that these two traits are mutually exclusive 
over four decades ago.  They aren't completely unified on the 
'omniscience' question--they're aware that three persons means three 
sets of memories, regardless of how many Beings you stuff them into, and 
there do seem to be gaps in the "Son of God"'s memory from the textual 
evidence, regardless of one's view of his status/existence.
In other words, the branch of religion I am familiar with is quite capable 
of evolving new memes in a less than divisive fashion.
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