Re: virus: Virian Sainthood

Sodom (
Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:28:16 -0400

look below

Eric Boyd wrote:

> Hi,
> Tim Rhodes <> writes:
> <<
> I think how we elect our saints is perhaps more important -- from a
> memetic perspective -- than who we elect. The process of nomination,
> debate, election and cannonization will be central to the continued
> life of the memeplex (Brodie's use). Who we elect might _seem like_
> the important question, but in all reality, establishing a method of
> creating saints is the really important part of the equation, and the
> aspect that can enable the well established process to outlive any one
> of us.
> >>
> You're probably right, Tim. I've got some ideas --
> (1) Necessary conditions for nomination
> (a) had novel ideas (hopefullly related to Virus)
> (b) ??? others?

(c) Should be dead. (don't want anyone arguing from "divine authority")


> (2) Sufficient conditions for sainthood?
> (a) creation of ideas Virus is based on? (e.g. Darwin had
> sufficient conditions to become a saint)

(b) developed arguments commonly in use by us and with successful defenses.

> --> if we can prove sufficient conditions, then we can skip the
> voting process
> (3) After nomination, we should have a discussion about why they
> should be saints -- about the ideas the had, the life they lived, etc.
> Perhaps we should pick favorite quotes and find a good picture of
> them, so that if we do make them a saint, we'll have some immediate
> content to put on the page dedicated to them.
> (3) After that, we need some kind of 'voting' process.
> --> should we all get a vote?
> --> should we elect a 'virian council' of 12 (or whatever)
> people and then require a majority or 2/3rds vote?

Im all for a Virian Council, since it sounds like one of the better ways to get things done. But I would be happy if we simply agreed on a time to vote, i would certainly send mine in, and participate in whichever capacity I have the time and resources for.

> (I'm thinking that council might be useful for lots of other things
> too...)
> While we're on the topic of Saints, I think it would be cool to change
> the main Virus page, which quotes Darwin, to read instead
> "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers,
> having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and
> that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed
> law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most
> beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.
> Saint Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species"
> ^^^^^
> No point having Saints if we don't plug them...

Agreed - they obviously contributed much we consider valuable, lets share that knowledge.

Bill Roh