Re: virus: Re: Technology (was manifest science)

Joe E. Dees (
Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:09:22 -0500

From:   (James Veverka)
Date sent:      	Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:43:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:        	Re: virus: Re: Technology (was manifest science)
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> Joe, Since Chimps are able to recognize themselves in the mirror are
> they showing this recursivity and self/other conciousness in their
> society in a similar way as we do?....jim
They are showing the ability to both recognize themselves as themselves, and to distinguish themselves from others of the same species, and this requires a notion of themselves as separable and distinct; however, whether this rises to the level of explicit and abstract self-reference (whether they possess anything rersembling a concept of "self" in general, of which they would be a personal particular) is highly doubtful.