Re: virus: Consensual Bandersnatching

Dave Pape (
Thu, 13 May 1999 20:06:26 +0100

At 23:26 12/05/99 -0700, KMO wrote:
>Dave Pape wrote:

>> when I was /conscious/ of all the little tasks I
>> had to succeed in to drive a car, it was a
>> baaaaaaaaad experience. Now I do the driving on semi-autopilot. What I'm
aware of
>> is... tunes from the stereo, worries about what I'm going to do when I get
>> where I'm driving, that sort of thing. Habit's sometimes better than
>> mindfulness.
>So you see that as an example of your not wanting to be conscious of
>I see the time when you move from having to think about all the things that
>will eventually "just come naturally" to you behind the wheel as a time
when a
>very small amount of the potentially interesting and useful information
>available to you takes up all of your attention. Then you "get it" and things
>just "click", and suddenly the autopilot takes over the mundane aspects of
>driving and consults "you" only for high level decision making. Now you're
>to let your attention take other features of your environment. When you can
>"automate" some task that at first is a consciousness hog then, from your
>perspective, you've suddenly got a lot more attention to allocate here and
>there. Now you throw the net of your awareness over a number of other
tasks and
>topics. That's an expansion of consciousness.

Well... I think in another post I said that maybe the value of consciousness is that it's useful for learning new and complex things. Unfortunately it was just before I dissed your use of the word "Phaith" so it may've died in your short-term memory.

HOWEVER: it's not an expansion of consiousness, it's more like an expansion of the abilitites of your autopilot, and a moving-on-to-other-things of consiousness.

>> Why don't we agree some
>> arbitrary dogma, and cut to the phase where we beat up people who don't
>> like it?
>If it's just some random dogma and we don't really feel like we own it, then
>it'll be harder to really get caught up in it and take it absolutely
>when someone rejects or criticizes it. If it's not OUR dogma, we won't be as
>righteous about enforcing conformity and we'll miss out on the really potent
>buzz we could be getting if we were filled with the
>atheistic/agnostic/pantheistic spiritualist motivational equivalent of the

In that case we should work the dogma into wonderful hymns and sing tehm for half an hour every morning. Soon we'd be lethally programmed killing machines. Of hate.