Re: virus: pale religious lechery

David McFadzean (
Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:09:35 -0700

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From: Richard Brodie <> To: <> Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 11:29 PM
Subject: RE: virus: pale religious lechery

>I think there is what Hofstadter would call "level confusion" (not to be
>confused with Level 3) here. Having a belief in faith is not the same as
>having faith. Arriving at a decision using reason is not the same as
>arriving at a decision using faith. For one thing, it takes longer.

You're right, it is not identical. But that's not what I set out to prove. Let me try again: For every believe x, if x is useful than there is a story S(x) that shows how and why x is useful, and there is a corresponding line of reasoning R(x) for arriving at the same belief x. If there is no S(x), that x is not useful, and one would be better off using reasoning to avoid believing in x.

If you're with me so far, we can go on to the next point of reasoning taking longer.