RE: virus: Thinking clearly about faith

carlw (
Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:38:51 -0600

Nope, ingenious is what I said. Not ingenuous. I meant it the way it worked out. As in sneaky or tricky or inventive. Contrived. Perhaps very contriving :-) I would hardly describe you as artless or innocent. I am sure that you wrote as you did it with intent (and possibly malice aforethought). Meaning 3 (and less so, usage 2) as reflected in Websters.

Confirmed by your most recent post on this thread.

As to the rest, I am firmly of the opinion that we create reality for ourselves. Reason and rationality are necessary tools to sharing our realities. As sharing reality seems to be not only a requirement of our make-up, but pleasure creating as well (I am not addressing cause here), I'll go for the path that yields me maximized pleasure, while noting that your pleasure may be different.

I don't find a need to explain everything completely, perhaps this is why I have not yet found a subject where I need to close my eyes in order to to maintain a sense of order. In most every field or subject we work with unknowns. My experience is that unknowns can best be handled through logic and reason and not closing my eyes to anything. When the "explanation" becomes more complex than the phenomenon it purports to explain, it is time to look for the hidden strings. Explanations should always be as simple as possible. Although, as Einstein said, it doesn't help to make them simpler than they need to be.

Kind regards,



Main Entry: in·ge·nious
Pronunciation: in-'jEn-y&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English ingenyous, from Middle French ingenieux, from Latin ingeniosus, from ingenium natural capacity -- more at ENGINE Date: 15th century
1 obsolete : showing or calling for intelligence, aptitude, or discernment 2 : marked by especial aptitude at discovering, inventing, or contriving 3 : marked by originality, resourcefulness, and cleverness in conception or execution <an ingenious contraption>
synonym see CLEVER
- in·ge·nious·ly adverb
- in·ge·nious·ness noun

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> []On Behalf
> Of Deron Stewart
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:10 PM
> To: ''
> Subject: RE: virus: Thinking clearly about faith
> The Prisoner's Dilemma reference was a bit of a
> teaser...maybe a topic for
> another thread since it (and related problems in game theory) are so
> interesting.
> What did you think about the rest of the post -- any common
> ground at all?
> Cheers,
> Deron
> btw, I was flattered until I realized you probably meant
> "ingenuous" :-)
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