RE: virus: Level 4 (was RE: RE: Truth at all costs)

Richard Brodie (
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:25:46 -0800

Nope, still in Level 2 I think.

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From: []On Behalf Of David McFadzean
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Subject: virus: Level 4 (was RE: RE: Truth at all costs)

At 07:46 AM 2/10/99 -0800, Richard Brodie wrote:
>I don't think you fully get the Zen you're quoting. Not only is the map not
>the territory, but no map can ever be the territory.

Maps can form a different kind of territory. After all, memetics itself as a theory of world views can be considered a map of maps. This is related to what I was alluding to earlier with "Level 4". If Level 3 is the realization that mental models are merely tools that can be used to a purpose, Level 4 (I suggest) is the realization that it is good to have an accurate "map of maps", that truth does indeed matter a great deal at the meta-level.

David McFadzean       
Memetic Engineer      
Church of Virus