RE: virus: Scientists and Philosophers

Richard Brodie (
Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:30:03 -0800

I don't think so, David. The (Level-3) point that Reed is making is that skeptics are blind to their own faith. Faith, as he says, in the knowability of the universe. Faith in inductive reasoning. Faith that pursuit of the truth does not conflict with the pursuit of happiness. So many times we act as if we would rather be right than happy.

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-----Original Message-----
From: []On Behalf Of David McFadzean
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 1999 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: virus: Scientists and Philosophers

At 11:22 AM 2/9/99 -0500, Reed Konsler wrote:

>I agree. One of the reasons that scientists ignore philosophers is
>that scientists are often made to feel like criminals violating some
>grand rules of "the Method". Experimentalists, especially, get
>uptight becuase they recognize intuitively that what they are doing
>is a social and faith based exercise.

I think I would be inclined to agree if you explain what you mean by "faith" in this context. My feeling is that it differs from the use of "faith" in a religious context in kind or in degree or perhaps both kind and degree. I hope you can see that the fact that the same word is being used in both cases is bound to cause a (probably unnecessary) memetic immune reaction in people infected with <skepticism>.

David McFadzean       

Memetic Engineer      
Church of Virus