Re: virus: To S.G. re: his Jesus predicament

Norene Cashen (
Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:36:20 -0500

sodom wrote:
> Well, usually I would choose to ignore this, but I just HAVE to take a poke
> to appease my sense of self-righteousness.
> n cashen wrote:
> > SG-
> >
> > Critical thinking and logic do not encompass everything; we prove this
> > with every SCHRITT or mistake science/philosophy makes
> This in itself is a non-rational argument. You misunderstand the nature of
> science and philosophy - that is why no-one here likes what you are saying -
> because its nonsense. Science (and philosophy for that matter) are open
> ended and make the most headway by making mistakes and being wrong. It is
> exactly why Science has brought us from cave hiding, rain fearing, god
> worshiping wild animals with very short lifespans to apartment dwelling,
> pool owning, knowledge seeking wild animals with long lifespans.
> > . Nobody will like
> > this here, because it is a declaration of acceptance of the illogical.
> So, you are suggesting that because you do not understand the nature of
> science and philosophy, that the rest of us should accept the illogical. Of
> course, you have some instance of non-logical to demonstrate, right? And I
> dont mean a word game, I mean a physical instance of something working
> contrary to logic.
> > But I guess I'll have to just take the heat or be ignored. Either one
> > suits me.
> >
> > Intuition tells us things that don't leave us with a "leg to stand on"
> > all the time.
> My intuition does not say that - why does yours?
> > Faith does not makes sense, but where would we be if
> > nobody every dared to be stupid enough to have it?
> Must further than we are, and probably a lot more humane - I would suggest
> -and at the very least the point is arguable.
> > My suggestion is that
> > you try to understand what this Jesus phenomenon represents, what it
> > might mean to you personally.
> I do know what it represents - It's not a phenomena to the non-Xtian - just
> an interisting and dangerous concept that primitive people invented using
> stolen concepts from around the middle east.
> > And do not allow anyone to pull it away
> > from you, because then you will never have the chance to wrestle with it
> > and find an outcome that you can believe in.
> In other words - you have been so brainwashed that even the suggestion of
> you thinking about the subject in a rational light is to be fought. Another
> concept that seems hard for you is that many many people dont have the need
> to "believe" in something - not even a hint. Many of us have a need to learn
> - and your God cant offer that.
> >
> >
> > NC
> Bill Roh

I'd like to add that you presume that by "faith" I mean Christian faith. I don't mean only Christian faith. Are there no scientists in our history who have been called insane for their "beliefs" which were later proved? I think this is also a question of, instead of merely blasting your "logic" at people you obviously perceive as being inferior to you (see your opening line about normally ignoring such a post), how to teach and effectively spread information that "has a leg to stand on." I think even misguided faith is a representation of the human spirit--another laughable concept for you? Its needs, its desire, its questions, the difficulty in coming to terms with "reality." We are made aware enough to understand our move toward inevitable death and our desire to survive. Don't you think that this is a difficult task? And do you think that accusing everyone--who recognizes these struggles as part of the core of such confusion--of being a Christian is really supportive of your own cause (which I presume is to throttle "irrational" people like me into your version of the truth)? If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were a Christian (a book thumper, not bible thumper, of course).


To stay in place, you have to run. To get anywhere, you have to run even
harder. --The Red Queen