Re: virus: kurzweil cuts the mustard

David McFadzean (
Fri, 08 Jan 1999 08:52:28 -0700

At 07:01 PM 1/7/99 +0000, Robin Faichney wrote:

>I don't agree with your dichotomy. You forgot "man-
>made": neither magical nor natural. Not that I'm

I was using "natural" as the opposite of "supernatural", but I agree with your distinction as well.

>saying consciousness is manmade in the usual sense.
>Just that it's a meme that serves a function in
>human relationships, and that there is *nothing*
>"out there" to which it "points". Not just that
>it has fuzzy boundaries, or that we can't define
>it sufficiently well, but that IT AIN'T THERE!

Would you say it (consciousness) is like colour in that sense? That it is necessarily subjective, even though it is obviously correlated with an external pattern (wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation in the case of colour).

If not, could you give some examples of other distinction memes that <consciousness> is like and unlike?

David McFadzean       
Memetic Engineer      
Church of Virus