virus: The powerful "bicameral" meme (was Re: Bicameral consciousness)

Freespeak (f-prime@activist.com)
Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:05:47 -0700

At 08:13 PM 1/4/99 -0500, "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> wrote:

>
>>it is my general impression that Jayne's theory
>>has been largely discredited.
>
>I think it is more that Jaynes' theory was in large part conjecture with 
>no or little corroborating tactical evidence. It may indeed not be 
>possible to be proven one way or the other, since we do not have access 
>to an active brain from pre-Homeric times, and we do not have a baseline 
>reference for what we would like to look for even if we were to get one. 
>(Although I kind of suspect that we would see something....)
>
>Jaynes has died before he could elaborate any further. There has been no 
>attempt, to my knowledge, to collect any writings he did after the 
>publication of TOOCITBOTB-CM, and from what Dennett said when I asked him 
>about this (I love dropping names...), Jaynes died a broken and alcoholic 
>death, horridly depressed- there may have been no further writings at all.
>
>The subject line of this thread is, of course, incorrect, according to 
>Jaynes.
>

The above inspired me to do some research to get an idea of Jaynes's influence. I selected the links below to include in the Freedom/Liberty Portal at
<http://www.buildfreedom.com/ft>.

An extensive Jaynes Bibliography is at:
The Julian Jaynes Society
<http://home.sprintmail.com/~marcel1/>

Of particular interest to me is the "Consciousness Bookshelf" with Jaynes holding the top rating.

Frederick Mann

Bicameral Mind (Julian Jaynes)


The Abrupt Reading Reviews
<http://www.abrupt.org/LOGOS/librevjr.html>

The Boomer Bible
<http://boomerbible.com/>

Consciousness Bookshelf (Reader's Choice - On 1/5/99, 'The Origin of Consciousness
in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind' by Julian Jaynes was the top-rated book on
consciousness with a rating of 9.6.)
<http://www.thegrid.net/dakaiser/books/mind.htm>

'CONSCIOUSNESS - Integrations on Integration' by: Nicholas Rich
<http://www.ss-n.com/nick/integrations_on_integration.htm>

'Consciousness In The Cosmos: Perspective of Mind: Julian Jaynes'
<http://www.bizcharts.com/stoa_del_sol/conscious/conscious3.html>

'Conversations with Zombies' by Todd C. Moody
<http://www.imprint.co.uk/moody.html>

'EARLY PSYCHOLOGICAL THOUGHT: ANCIENT ACCOUNTS OF MIND AND SOUL' by Christopher D. Green
<http://www.yorku.ca/faculty/academic/christo/earlypsy/chap2.htm>

'The Emergence of Consciousness' by Jerry Larsen
<http://www.softwood.com/users/jlarsen/consc.html>

'A Ganma Odyssey' by Steve Georgopoulos
<http://www.ozemail.com.au/~stevegeo/aganma.htm>

'HOW TO INCREASE YOUR INTELLIGENCE' by Frederick Mann
<http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl11.htm>

Integrated Thinking
<http://www.askzon.com/protection2/p350-357.html>

'Julian Jaynes' by Keith Purtell
<http://home.unicom.net/~kpurtell/kthings/frmst_jaynes.htm>

Julian Jaynes - Notes
<http://www.physics.wisc.edu/~shalizi/notebooks/julian-jaynes.html>

The Julian Jaynes Society
<http://home.sprintmail.com/~marcel1/>

'Language in THE INVISIBLES' by Carl Guderian
<http://www.cinenet.net/~jaybab/language.html>

'LEARNED PERMISSION-SEEKING' by Mark Lindsay
<http://www.mind-trek.com/articles/t09d.htm>

'Leisure Theory In The Information Age' by Wes Cooper
<http://www.buildfreedom.com/ft/>

'Memory's Ghost' by Philip J. Hilts
<http://home.earthlink.net/~jeauxy/mgrvw.htm>

'Neuropsychological Bases of God Beliefs' by Micheal Persinger
<http://www.ufomind.com/catalog/isbn/275/92648/>

'Notes on Artificial Life & Cellular Automata' by Linas Vepstas
<http://linas.org/plants/observe.html>

'The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind' by Julian Jaynes (Amazon)
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0395563526/top100/002-8228839-1769818>

'The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind' by Julian Jaynes (A Common Reader)
<http://www.commonreader.com/5/5250.html>

'The Ostrich and The Eagle' by L. Anderson
<http://badweb.com/chaos/system.htm>

'The Other Side of Religion' by Frederick Mann
<http://www.buildfreedom.com/otherside.htm>

'An Owner's Manual - A Basic Erector Set Of The Bicameral Mind' by Shari Soza
<http://www.snowcrest.net/soza/easyjayn.htm>

Philosophers Stone - Julian Jaynes
<http://www.solungen.hm.no/razor/philos.htm>

Reading Notes for 'Snow Crash'
<http://wntwww.cc.utexas.edu/users/ifig720/www/SnowCrash.htm>

'The Relationship of the Bicameral Mind and the Paranormal: Julian Jaynes, Paul Kurtz, and D.C. Stove' by Ian Waggett
<http://www.trincoll.edu/~papers/1996/bicameral.html>

The Self as a Center of Narrative Gravity
<http://jbarresi.psychology.dal.ca/dennett_slf.htm>

Taking the Vertical out of God
<http://home.istar.ca/~wkrossa/main.html>

'The User Illusion: Cutting Consciousness Down to Size' by Tor Norretranders (Includes a chapter based on Jaynes)
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0670875791/qid=915651923/sr=1-1/002-
8228839-1769818>

The Voice of God
<http://www.knowledge.co.uk/frontiers/sf043/sf043p18.htm>

'WAKE UP AMERICA! - CHAPTER FIVE: HOW TO OVERCOME YOUR WIMP'
<http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/wua5.htm>

Zonpower
<http://panda.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/~velander/Thought/Thought-Zon.txt>

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